It can be factually demonstrated that several generations of “UK economic mismanagement has ultimately undermined the Scottish economy.”. land: 348,672 sq km. This blog How Scotland’s economy went South explains the economic decision process that led to this state of affairs. However, critics say that “positive destinations” is too broad a term to be meaningful, and in 2017 Tes Scotland revealed that it could include zero-hours contracts. Remember Diageo’s vodka production for the UK is also in Scotland. This, I believe will result in better relations between the two countries based on mutual respect and support. Would independence mean that a greater than current percentage of GDP would be spent on benefits and the NHS. 2) Children This particular map does not prove that. Far from underpinning or subsidising Scotland the UK Treasury is using Scotland as a cash cow (apparently Cornwall as well according to other comments on this blog!). Scotland’s geology is world-famous, both for the rich variety of our rocks and the place they hold in the development of new ideas. Our population is 8.4% of UK so we would inherit a lot less of the UK debt as an independent nation (8.4%) than we would have to pay back if we vote NO (9.9%) – ipso facto a no vote costs the Scottish tax payer £1.4bn+ in debt repayments. Without over complicating the issue this data when taken with all other wealth and income statistics that look at wealth/income distribution within the UK confirms that wealth is centralised around London. GVA is more readily available than GDP but anyway. Scotland would be nowhere without the rest of the UK that is a fact! Since the Acts of Union 1707, Scotland's economy has been closely aligned with the economy of the rest of the United Kingdom (UK) and England has historically been its main trading partner. Scotland, it is claimed, would benefit from its oil-rich territory; and be able to compete in an aggressive international marketplace to attract corporations to invest their capital in Scotland and her people. You have a talent for writing that should, in a fair and just world be expressing itself in the mainstream media. Pls share your thoughts with all yes sceptics. Contrast all this with the EU, which has always aimed towards pooling players to bring about mutual economic success. Vote no and we are just waiting for the lights to go out on Scotland, vote yes and we see a new dawn in renewables and added value industrial technologies to future proof our economy. Sir Ian Wood CBE, is at present coordinating the North sea oilriggs, around 40 of them. An increasing proportion of the Scottish government’s budget comes from taxes raised in Scotland, rather than the block grant. Its all I have to rely on and im pretty sure there are thousands more in the same boat as me. Here’s some stats from one of the same source for you to digest …, https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/income-and-tax-by-parliamentary-constituency-2010-to-2011. Clearly the further north you go the lower the distribution of wealthy households and this matches other research that shows overall lower average household wealth, and lower the average household income in the north. Headquarters of big firms tend to be in England, as do most cultural events: until the Glasgow Hydro was built, many rock concerts didn’t come beyond Manchester because Scotland … We are fed up with your constant whingeing. We have the same problems in Cornwall, and the divide goes from east to west, as well as south to north. Scotland’s budget is set as a % of spend in England’s, so if the NHS in England continues to be privatised at the same rate as under both Labour and Conservative / LibDem Governments then the budget to run the NHS is Scotland will be cut as they spend less on it in England. Scotland has the lowest life expectancy of all UK countries. So as well as subsidising the rest of the UK during their working lives they do so again in death. Other major cities include Birmingham, Manchester, Sheffield, Liverpool, Newcastle and Leeds. When did this quiet takeover happen. At its zenith in the 19th century, the British Empire stretched over one-fourth of the earth's surface. It is an accepted fact that every year for 30 years Scotland has generated more tax revenue per head for the UK treasury than the rest of the UK. All I can say to you is that I do not think you read the piece or digested it’s contents. water: 8,350 sq km. The reason Edinburgh is the secondary financial hub in the UK, is because companies can have a highly skilled and educated workforce in Edinburgh and pay them less!!!! But clearly that’s only if you live outside Scotland and particularly if you are from the South of England! So big that Scotland has two bank holidays following it, not just one. Would tax rises be required to pay for that increase if the answer to the above is yes. Bad information ruins lives. There was a very slight increase for males in England but decreases for males in Northern Ireland and males and females in Wales similar to those seen in Scotland. (see image below) This is despite the fact that wealth creation is more evenly spread across the UK – with Scotland the 3rd most prosperous area. Independence would place a significant portion of BG’s interests in (to them) foreign waters and I would speculate that a prominent office in, or even a relocation to Aberdeen may be attractive to them in that case but I would add that I am not an economist and don’t know the relative benefits/drawbacks for those options. All these Spain and Malaysia examples are irrelevant. Very impressed with the article, i lived in Dundee for 5 years after moving from London, as an immigrant i preferred Scotland over London as the quality of life was much better the atmosphere, the people, the house rents etc, © Copyright 2010-2020 Full Fact. Scotland spends £1,500 more per capita on its residents than the rest of the UK, in part because of the age structure and rural make-up of the population. An increasing proportion of the Scottish government’s budget also comes from taxes it raises. I do however totally agree that renewables are the future and that an oil fund should generate capital to invest in this sector. Area - comparative: twice the size of Pennsylvania; slightly smaller than Oregon . Long enough to reinvest in the future rather than suffer years more of under investment and wait for it to run out without a new plan to re-indutrsialise Scotland through renewables and biotech. Much higher margin on aged dark spirits than RTDs, beer and white spirits. BP may have an office in Aberdeen and employ staff on a good wage but the headquarters are in London. “The latest figures taken from the Government Expenditure and revenue report Scotland (GERS) state that Scotland generated 9.9% of the UK’s tax revenue but received only 9.3% of spending.”. Deficit-to-GDP ratio of EU countries. The implicit logic in these propositions is a better quality of life for the Scottish people. iScot’s per capita higher tax yield will provide better education, better health care and better welfare support more generally to the Scottish people. You can expect more spin and selective reporting, probably even news blackouts of facts damaging to the No campaign. : Business for Scotland. You can judge a nation by the way it treats its most vulnerable citizens. Well said Kevin! We need very simple and easy to understand facts like – what small percent of Scotland’s revenues are needed to fund state pensions as many of our old folk think this is a huge sum of money required and that this is in some big pension pot down south. Where is the selfishness? I will be voting yes for independence not snp. Would Mr Scotland be better off getting his own credit card? Let’s have all the figures and see what the reel picture looks like. Scotland is nearly two thirds the area of England. Chas, an uncle of mine has made his home in Penang, Malaysia. Well, I was admittedly not living in the lap of luxury, but more significantly, the winter of that year produced temperatures 15 degrees below zero. https://www.businessforscotland.com/how-scotlands-economy-went-south/, Hey, come on! How Rich the U.S. Is Compared to the Rest of the World, Visualized. I am writing a blog on the No Campaign’s ridiculous position on borders this week and yes any trade barriers (illegal under EU law anyway) would means billions in lost trade for rUK head quartered business who export four thousand million pounds worth of goods and services to Scotland per month. We get the best comedians. Italy and United Kingdom living comparison. David Cameron is fond of saying that we are STRONGER, SAFER, RICHER, and FAIRER … TOGETHER. While we were on holiday during July 2012 I met an ex patriot Scot, who works with the Amecian Government, in charge of Commodities.She informed me that the headquarters for commodities must be in the country where the commodities originate.Obviously this is commonly understood by Industry, it is the norm. So the effective interest charge for a loan of £9.30 for a year is £0.798, which I think comes to 8.58%, Doing the same calculation for the rest of the UK gives a loan of £90.70 and a repayment of £91.902, so the effective interest charge is £0.202 which is an effective APR of 1.307%. The challenge up North is in attempting to convince people to trust that we don’t in fact rely on rUK. Data from the UK Government’s Office for National Statistics demonstrates in simple terms the distribution of personal wealth in the UK. We’d be represented better as an independent nation. Scotland is much, much bigger than Monaco. The council areas with the highest life expectancy for females were East Renfrewshire and East Dunbartonshire where a baby girl could expect to live for 83.5 years. The blue map shows the distribution of wealthy households which is only one indicator of wealth distribution. What about our oap/civil service pensions if we dont want any thing to do with english government. And your deluded like most sheep are Just one of the London led one size fits all policies that add to the drain of wealth from Scotland when it is not merited by the Scottish facts. So while North Sea may see a decline, the Atlantic is a vast resource. As yet we have no large scale alternative to oil for running our cars and machinery and until that happens on a mass, nationwide scale, the demand for oil/petrol will be high. Since the Acts of Union 1707, Scotland 's economy has been closely aligned with the economy of the rest of the United Kingdom (UK) and England has historically been its main trading partner. In all other indicators there is evidence that London and south East also over-performs but that does not mean that there is not poverty in those areas as well. First, it must be accepted that any economic gains from oil are currently enjoyed by the UK and its constituents. Scotland would have been £8.3 billion better off than the UK over the past 5 years. Cost of Living Comparison Between United Kingdom and Ireland . Medium-sized European nations such as Norway, Denmark, and Sweden are among the most prosperous countries in the world, well ahead of the UK. (Except, of course, when there’s a war on, when we become the Fighting Jocks.). Copyright © Business for Scotland 2018. Relative to England and Wales, the excess is only partially explained by area deprivation. Are you sure your figure is right? You argue for a status quo that does diametrically the opposite of what you espouse, where is the greed and hubris? Yet even the EU may end up betraying its own principles by threatening to become a settled, territorially limited polity that perpetuates the race to the bottom, albeit at a larger scale. ... Outside of London and the South East of England, Scotland is recognised internationally as the most important financial centre in the UK. The rocks of Scotland have formed over a time span of billions of years, with a series of different plate tectonic events over time resulting in a wide variety of rock types. YES for Scotland! In other words, the cost of extraction will be a price higher than anyone will be willing to pay. Cap that with him loudly proclaiming that it is he alone who pays for the others, despite their having handed over all their cash before they left the house. The ONS graphic depicting wealth concentration, is the best example I have seen for the old saying ‘a picture speaks a thousand words’. You comment may just help people to understand that it is not about England and Scotland or Labour V SNP its about a system of government that is not fit for purpose, and moving to a better system and a better partnership between home nations that will in the end benefit everyone. The GDP per capita in England is $42,976. The Jimmy Reid Foundation, a new and increasingly well respected think-tank, published a report in June 2013 demonstrating this wealth drain and the resulting under-performance of Scotland’s economy. Not deluded, but seriously disadvantaged due to propping up the rest of the UK and right now under a dictatorship. The claim "UK government figures make it absolutely clear that Scotland has subsidised the rest of the UK in most of the last 40-year period." You deserve better. (See ‘Where does Scotland’s wealth go?’) […], […] https://www.businessforscotland.com/where-does-scotlands-wealth-go/ […]. In Denmark and Norway less than 10% of children live in poverty. One reason you can be in favour of independence because of consequential economic benefits. Yet it is the ignorance of those South of the border who believe that Scotland is a leech that ironically would swing the vote in our favour. So for every £10m the UK Government borrows Scotland is £60,000 worse off, not better off – well UK debt is over a trillion and growing and thats is a lot of £60,000′s. http://www.oilofscotland.org/mccronereport.pdf, “it is hard to see any conclusion other than The map of wealthy household distribution shows a clear north/south wealth divide within England itself, which many of us knew about, but many will be surprised at just how far south the divide sits. At his first Prime Minister’s questions, Boris Johnson made an incorrect claim about Scottish taxes. Same for the many Irish citizens who worked in the UK Civil Service or who paid UK contributions. We ( the yes supporters ) need to stand up and be counted and shout this from the rooftops. This shows that in 2003, UAE oil production began to outstrip Scotland’s and has broadly increased while production in Scotland has declined. That would make four independant countries, that chose to support each other as a ‘United Kingdom? They all use bluster and bull to hide the true facts. SEEMPLES**. It is followed by Scotland, Wales (£9,996) and England (£8,816). What could we achieve then? Scotland’s shortfall relative to its population is £6.6bn. Thank you. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-20042070, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-22224015, And also former Scotland office economist Gavin McCrone in his now infamous report: Figure 1: Central Government Debt and Long-Term Interest Rates 2012. I’ve recently left the armed Forces and am in receipt of a pension paid by the UK Govt. I urge that these ethical concerns should be taken seriously by even the most patriotic or nationalist sentiments, because the referendum – as part of the continuous (re-)evolution of Scotland and Scottish identity – threatens to defame the Scottish people with hubris and greed. Scottish Independence Referendum – The Economic Case for Independence | The Edinburgh Reporter. Enjoyed the article and if allof the content is 100% correct,count me in as a supporter. Yes and the mean income in Kensington is 4 to 5 times that in Edinburgh or Glasgow. It seems the No campaign will, in the absence of any legitimate or factually sound argument, resort to scaremongering and sowing seeds of doubt with nothing to substantiate or corroborate their claims. Now people also say but Scotland is in deficit (as is almost every other nation on earth) – well yes but do you know that almost 59% of Scotland’s deficit (£4.1bn) was our share of the interest payments on the UK debt (not debt repayments just interest on that debt)? . Brilliant article, Gordon. Interesting article and one that proves scotland can be independent and I thoroughly support it! The Scottish Gov plans to reinvest the oil monies in Scotland and not in subsidising the failing UK economy. This is accomplished through its direct economic impact from financial services and also its employment. I believe that many Scots are not sure of the facts and this information may arouse their desire to know more. 6.20 in every 100,000 people are murdered annually in Zambia compared to 1.00 in United Kingdom. That’s a very serious amount of wealth that Scotland loses due to the UK’s lack of a sensible industrial strategy and political dogma. This is why an aging population causes a big headache for the government . If diageo moved there headquarters to Glasgow there would be demand for world class marketing and advertising to develop in the area as well, heck we might even see a stream of people moving north rather than the relentless brain drain south that continues to suck the life out of this country…. MUCH. Each one makes the case for independence more compelling. The first graphic is misleading from a Cornish petspective. As an ex member of HM Forces I’m due a full pension at some point and I’m in receipt of a war pension just now. Whether you are a free-market capitalist (“right wing”) or a socialist (“left wing”), you can accept that logic. Independence is just this sort of thinking on a national scale. And I really appreciate that this site welcomes different voices to comment fully and people respond with cogent arguments not with petty dismissals. I have a similar degree to yourself and was always told to look at both sides of the argument. If the UK treasury borrows (for ease of calculation) £10million and spends 9.3% of it in Scotland, then we get £930,000 pounds to spend. Possibly more worryingly healthy life expectancy in Scotland is only 59.5 years. the "leading players in debates tend to be further to the left when compared … So much for the facts, but what of the moral and ethical nature of the present stage in Scottish constitutional (re-)specification? Finally, I show how this argument relates to the more general thesis of global cosmopolitanism, as opposed to defending it as a special case for the UK. Oil will eventually run out the question is what plans do westminster have to reinvest in Scotland and in particular the North East to get us ready for that time? We have also qualified for European objective 1 funding for over a decade, and only then because Cornish campaigners had to force government to look only at Cornish statistics, and not averaged out stats from across the so called south west region. In 2016, alcohol consumption per capita (APC) (i.e. The population of the countries in Britain and regions of the United Kingdom was last measured by census in 2011, and the Census organisations have produced population estimates for subsequent years by updating the census results with estimates of births, deaths and migration in each year. Nevertheless, and especially with respect to oil, it tends towards that relationship; and, so much for the facts, we do see arguments from the “yes” campaign that either have that structure, or are, even more commonly, indifferent to/silent on the issue of third-country economic deficits that may occur post-independence. to be seen,so that people understand what is really Why? According to a 2011 paper asking: "Is Scotland more left-wing than England?" note 1: the percentage area breakdown of the four UK countries is: England 53%, Scotland 32%, Wales 9%, and Northern Ireland 6% note 2: includes Rockall and the Shetland Islands, which are part of Scotland. Amazed the one constituency in London – Kensington – pays more income tax than Glasgow and Edinburgh put together. Kevin, a certain Mr,Mobius appears to have got into your logic! Personally I think this is evidence that no matter who is in charge, they will always pander to the most populated area. It’s BLOODY COLD in Scotland! I don’t think you have thought through the 9.9% V 9.3% statistics. The business community I’m sure will explode these malicious myths over the course of the next 12 or so months. A majority of shares in BP are owned outside of the UK so the “shareholders and owners” are clearly not London-based. However the map I used says it all – personal wealth is concentrated around London and the South East it would be bizarre to suggest otherwise – do you have any evidence to the contrary? Is the Scottish economy as strong as the UK’s generally? Keep up the good work! How you can argue at any point that parts of Scotland brings in fraction of the wealth that London and the South does is ludicrous! The capital city of England is London. I ask this question somewhat rhetorically, but with a weak sense of agnosticism – the burden of proof is now on proponents of the economic argument. In game theory terms, best there be as few players as possible. Where does Scotland’s wealth go? Click to enlarge It's a simple question but not one often asked, probably as most economics bloggers like myself get bogged down in numbers and over complicate the issue. Where is it retained? Your first map doesn’t show wealth distribution across the UK, it only shows porportion of millionaires in each region. That it is not is indicative of the democratic deficit that exists in modern Scotland. No Scotland is not a poor country. When I was nursing in paediatrics I remember consultants talking about the increased cases in childhood leukemia and its relation to trident. However as we have every year for thirty years generated more tax per head the rest of the UK (9.9% last year) then when it comes to paying that debt back we have to pay back 9.9% of it so we borrow £930,000 and pay back £990,000 (before interest). A question that every Scot should be asking every time they switch on BBC news should be better together… for who? Scotland leaving the UK is not the answer. I have found a document created by the Scottish Government called “Pension in a independent Scotland” see Link. That’s one untapped resource. For example, more than 12% of jobs in Reading and Milton Keynes are in high-income senior management roles, which pay an average £915 per week in the UK. The current workforce pays for the state pension paid to pensioners. Interesting article, it makes good reading and sheds more light than any of the MSP’s seem to babble on about at Holyrood. I show how these concerns are valid irrespective of a worldview of economics i.e. Totally agree that London and the south east are swallowing up the bulk of the wealth, i also am 100% behind the campaign for Scottish independence. Only 6% … But take away that subsidy and there would likely be massive depopulation. Ross your arguments are well structured and cogent. As an English man it is perfect opening for an English government and allow us to finally take back control of our country! The other thing you don’t consider is technological improvements. Where does Scotland’s wealth go? Everyone knows the Scots are subsidy junkies, lazy, stingy .. oh, yes, and the winging Jocks. We can build a Scotland which gets the best of both worlds from remaining in partnership with our friends across the British Isles in areas where we share mutual interests, but most importantly being able to shape our own economic future and maximise our own resources to benefit more Scots today and in generations to come through self-government. For the more free-market-capitalist-oriented, this also, ipso facto, means less industry, capital and jobs in England, Wales, and Northern Ireland. Because people are living far longer in the heavily populated south east of England, the state pension age is already due to increase to 67 by 2028 and future rises in the state pension age would remain linked to improvements in life expectancy. He has stated that there will be £200 billion pounds mined by 2020. Loads of factual evidence in this book http://www.amazon.co.uk/Going-South-Britain-Third-Economy/dp/0230392547 Going South – How the UK will have a Third world economy by 2014. Scotland was an independent nation originally but it agreed to join with England politically to form the United Kingdom of Great Britain. The more northern areas of the UK have suffered years of de-industrialisation, high unemployment and lower investment that followed the emergence of London-centric finance and service-led economic policy under consecutive Conservative and New Labour governments. Your views would then carry more weight (IMHO). Even it 100% of Scotland voted to remain we wouldn’t have. I wonder is this is the same style of thinking that leads people to believe that if they get a loan from Wonga at 2,000% APR they are better off? Scale, picture Scotland, rather than the UK as a supporter and hurts democracy the U.S. compared! 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